Proof there is no God

[Martin Willett]

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:15:37 +0100, Martin Willett

god = a deity
God = a particular deity.

Like I said, "if you want to call your particular deity,
Mr. Morality that is not a problem.

You obviously find the concept too hard to grasp. I'll try it more
slowly:

I don't believe in gods, any of them, yours is special only to you.

Morality has nothing to do with gods. My morality is my morality, it
is not
my religion as I haven't got one and it is certainly not your religion
in denial.

Spelling the word god as God is a typical Christian trick to try to
hijack theology and philosophy.

I refer to my deity as "The Force" or spirit. Watch out
though it might be a trick.

You also refer to it as God, by implication the only true deity, given
a capital letter either because of his special status or because God
is his name.

Love is real Michael, it can be demonstrated.

If you wish to demonstrate love you will be demonstrating
The spirit of God.

That's just bullshit. There is a rational explanation for love, you
may be too stupid to understand it but that says nothing new.

Love is the emotion we get when we "Decide" to forgive in advance
all the mistakes a person is going to make in life. God can do
no less. You can't fall, in love or stop loving what you once loved.
If you can, then you never loved them to begin with.
Love generates Compassion and compassion is a dictator even unto
God.
If you wish to demonstrate love you will be demonstrating
The spirit of God.

Crap Michael. Your analysis of love in a human context isn't that far
off the mark. But ascribing that sentiment to a being that wasn't
brought up in a human family is absurd. Love is a sophisticated high
level mental strategy that has only developed in sophisticated
intelligent social animals with a strong sense of a self. Imagining
such feelings in a disembodied entity that exists before time, space
and matter exists is just as absurd as imagining this hypothetical
entity would have either the wisdom or the desire to create a
universe.

Another thing Michael, answer under your own name or butt out.

Your butt is out there alright and everyone seams to be
spanking it for you. Reminds me of the bear that kept
screwing the hunter who came to kill him. On the third
time the bear whispered in the hunters ear, " You don't
really come here for the hunting, do you."
Still think everyone is Michael do you? What makes you
think that?

Because, Michael, when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to be
somebody else. That's why, Michael. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?

Love is not "something spiritual" it is a behaviour pattern
that enables us to make commitments to people which seem to defy
simple logic but have a higher order logic to them.

What name do you wish to call your higher order?

Calling one a higher level has
precisely bugger all to do with gods.

English, you know bugger all about what you speak. You may
impress yourself but what you really need is a snot rag.

A single man can have 25 or 30 children with women
who are married to men that support them and the
children.

Most men who try that are dead before they reach 25. (Years, not
children)

Don't know much about women either I see. And your morals
are out the window when you start killing men and maybe
your wife for having sex while you were at work.

Which planet are you on now Michael? Killing a person for adultery is
a crime and is punishable. It isn't a crime to say that you cannot
guarantee what you will do if you witness your wife in an act of
adultery, it isn't immoral either.

and if she did not commit to one man she would not
get a partner either.

The ugliest woman in the world has no trouble getting sex
or children or finding a man to give her money.

Shame on you. Haven't you read Exodus 20:12?

Obviously not or else you would have spotted the fact that I was
implying that yo' momma was the ugliest woman in the world who has no
trouble getting sex or children or finding men to give her money. A
cheap shot? Sure. But you've been taking enough of them and at least
this one had a bit of subtlety to it, too much as it turned out.

[Martin Willett]

What makes you
think that?

Because, D. DC., when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to

be

somebody else. That's why. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?

You have altered the quoted text again, haven't you Michael? That's
bad, not touching up the choirboys or peeing in the communion wine bad
but cursing the Holy Spirit or revealing the secrets of the
confessional bad.

This the original:

Because, Michael, when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to
be
somebody else. That's why, Michael. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?

You altered the text but you still come out of it looking stupid, and
now dishonest too. Why do you bother?

You believe in a thing not proven
by the logic of man. The only proof
you have is what your spirit tells you.
I think you should listen to it. But
then I would have to addmit that Martin
Willett has a spirit I can't do that without losing face and my face
is more important to me than truth or knowledge.
--Martin Willett--

--
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I am the real Martin Willett,
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Let's look at the evidence here shall we?

Martin Willett is English, an atheist and intelligent.

Michael Rippie is American, a weirdo who bad-mouths Christians and
claims to be in direct contact with Jesus and is obsessed with
"spirits". Rippie also puts superfluous spaces between each sentence
in a paragraph, I do not.

The real Martin Willett has never passed himself off as anybody else
while on the internet, ever.

The following is from Michael Rippie's fake post:

From: "Martin Willett" <***@usenet.com>
Sender: "Martin Willett" <***@127.0.0.1:7501>
Reply-To: "Martin Willett" <***@usenet.com>
Subject: Re: Proof there is no God
Newsgroups: alt.religion.thelastchurch
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Message-ID: <41679522$***@127.0.0.1>
Date: 9 Oct 2004 02:37:06 -0500

This is from mine:

From: "Martin Willett" <***@ntlworld.com>
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Subject: Re: Proof there is no God
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:51:11 +0100
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Message-ID: <***@uni-berlin.de>
Reply-To: "Martin Willett" <email me via the website: mwillett.org>
X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de

The time on mine is GMT plus 1, Berlin time, his is American time,
five hours behind GMT. His clearly shows the IP address he used:
207.173.252.134

This IP address traces to 207-173-252-134.nas1.ton.nv.frontiernet.net,
big surprise there, Frontier.net in Tonopah Nevada (Current Temp:
68°, Sun T'storms High 57, Low 37) near where Michael Rippie lives.

The University of Berlin provides an excellent fast newsgroup service
for free with no adverts placed on the posts made. That is why I use
it, because the service from ntl is crap, as far as newsgroup access
goes, it's slow and subject to breakdowns. Rippie has used the
University of Berlin service (on my recommendation apparently, as he
has also used Opera on my recommendation) but he has been kicked off
the service for misusing email addresses that belong to me.

http://mwillett.org/atheism/last_church_challenge.htm

http://mwillett.org/please-stand-up.htm

Michael makes out that he has magic powers and can do wonderful
things. He just doesn't actually do any of them when anybody's
watching because that might make his invisible friend cross. He has
regularly challenged me to tell me what time my watch says as if he's
going to do some wonderful magic trick, but he never actually does it.

He claims he has visited me in spirit on several occassions and given
me a slap.

He claims Jesus visited him when he was 6, and he's been living in the
Mind of Christ ever since.

He regularly quotes the words of Jesus as dictated to him, Michael the
Prophet of the Last Church.

He claims he was born in 1946 (to the US government Copyright office
when he claimed to have written a poem which is a verse taken from a
song in The Sound of Music).

==============================
The Bell

A bell is not a bell until you ring it.
A song is not a song until you sing it.
Love in your heart wasn't put there to stay.
Love isn't love until you give it away.
Author,
Michael Edward Rippie, @
===============================

Sixteen Going On Seventeen - Reprise
*This part of the song was never used in the movie: *
Maria
A bell is no bell 'til you ring it
A song is no song 'til you sing it
And love in your heart wasn't put there to stay
Love isn't love... 'Til you give it away

Oscar Hammerstein II, The Sound of Music, 1959

Rippie claims to have written his "original poem" in 1961, although on
the copyright application he makes in 1985 he claims he wrote it in
1962.
In 1962 Rippie would be sixteen, going on seventeen...

He also claims to have been in the military in 1946, although he
doesn't say which country.

He sometimes claims he is Dannan DeCrete, a nonagenarian native
American from a local tribe, who was also born in Texas and is old
enough to be Michael's grandfather.

Confused? Somebody is.

[Bob Weigel]

Oh and who wants to believe a SPIRIT..oh heavens we souldn't want to believe
our spirit. :-) NO just be a NUMB ROBOT...hehehe. Why is this getting
cross posted to here...just wondering. It cracks me up how people take a
thread that's already disjointed non-sense and they cross post it to yet
another group. -Bob

Post by Martin Willett

What makes you
think that?

Because, D. DC., when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to

be

somebody else. That's why. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?

You have altered the quoted text again, haven't you Michael? That's
bad, not touching up the choirboys or peeing in the communion wine bad
but cursing the Holy Spirit or revealing the secrets of the
confessional bad.
Because, Michael, when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to be
somebody else. That's why, Michael. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?
You altered the text but you still come out of it looking stupid, and
now dishonest too. Why do you bother?

You believe in a thing not proven
by the logic of man. The only proof
you have is what your spirit tells you.
I think you should listen to it. But
then I would have to addmit that Martin
Willett has a spirit I can't do that without losing face and my face
is more important to me than truth or knowledge.
--Martin Willett--

--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/

I am the real Martin Willett,
I think There for I might be.
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Let's look at the evidence here shall we?
Martin Willett is English, an atheist and intelligent.
Michael Rippie is American, a weirdo who bad-mouths Christians and
claims to be in direct contact with Jesus and is obsessed with
"spirits". Rippie also puts superfluous spaces between each sentence
in a paragraph, I do not.
The real Martin Willett has never passed himself off as anybody else
while on the internet, ever.
Subject: Re: Proof there is no God
Newsgroups: alt.religion.thelastchurch
X-User-Info: 207.173.252.134 207.173.252.134 willett :165275121
Date: 9 Oct 2004 02:37:06 -0500
alt.idiots,alt.religion,alt.religion.barfing-yak,alt.religion.thelastc
hurch
Subject: Re: Proof there is no God
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:51:11 +0100
Organization: mwillett.org
Lines: 125
Reply-To: "Martin Willett" <email me via the website: mwillett.org>
X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de
The time on mine is GMT plus 1, Berlin time, his is American time,
207.173.252.134
This IP address traces to 207-173-252-134.nas1.ton.nv.frontiernet.net,
68°, Sun T'storms High 57, Low 37) near where Michael Rippie lives.
The University of Berlin provides an excellent fast newsgroup service
for free with no adverts placed on the posts made. That is why I use
it, because the service from ntl is crap, as far as newsgroup access
goes, it's slow and subject to breakdowns. Rippie has used the
University of Berlin service (on my recommendation apparently, as he
has also used Opera on my recommendation) but he has been kicked off
the service for misusing email addresses that belong to me.
http://mwillett.org/atheism/last_church_challenge.htm
http://mwillett.org/please-stand-up.htm
Michael makes out that he has magic powers and can do wonderful
things. He just doesn't actually do any of them when anybody's
watching because that might make his invisible friend cross. He has
regularly challenged me to tell me what time my watch says as if he's
going to do some wonderful magic trick, but he never actually does it.
He claims he has visited me in spirit on several occassions and given
me a slap.
He claims Jesus visited him when he was 6, and he's been living in the
Mind of Christ ever since.
He regularly quotes the words of Jesus as dictated to him, Michael the
Prophet of the Last Church.
He claims he was born in 1946 (to the US government Copyright office
when he claimed to have written a poem which is a verse taken from a
song in The Sound of Music).
==============================
The Bell
A bell is not a bell until you ring it.
A song is not a song until you sing it.
Love in your heart wasn't put there to stay.
Love isn't love until you give it away.
Author,
===============================
Sixteen Going On Seventeen - Reprise
*This part of the song was never used in the movie: *
Maria
A bell is no bell 'til you ring it
A song is no song 'til you sing it
And love in your heart wasn't put there to stay
Love isn't love... 'Til you give it away
Oscar Hammerstein II, The Sound of Music, 1959
Rippie claims to have written his "original poem" in 1961, although on
the copyright application he makes in 1985 he claims he wrote it in
1962.
In 1962 Rippie would be sixteen, going on seventeen...
He also claims to have been in the military in 1946, although he
doesn't say which country.
He sometimes claims he is Dannan DeCrete, a nonagenarian native
American from a local tribe, who was also born in Texas and is old
enough to be Michael's grandfather.
Confused? Somebody is.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/

[logan & thorne]

bob
your proof there is no god and where did you come from?

Post by Bob Weigel
Oh and who wants to believe a SPIRIT..oh heavens we souldn't want to believe
our spirit. :-) NO just be a NUMB ROBOT...hehehe. Why is this getting
cross posted to here...just wondering. It cracks me up how people take a
thread that's already disjointed non-sense and they cross post it to yet
another group. -Bob

Post by Martin Willett

What makes you
think that?

Because, D. DC., when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to

be

somebody else. That's why. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?

You have altered the quoted text again, haven't you Michael? That's
bad, not touching up the choirboys or peeing in the communion wine bad
but cursing the Holy Spirit or revealing the secrets of the
confessional bad.
Because, Michael, when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to be
somebody else. That's why, Michael. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?
You altered the text but you still come out of it looking stupid, and
now dishonest too. Why do you bother?

You believe in a thing not proven
by the logic of man. The only proof
you have is what your spirit tells you.
I think you should listen to it. But
then I would have to addmit that Martin
Willett has a spirit I can't do that without losing face and my face
is more important to me than truth or knowledge.
--Martin Willett--

--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/

I am the real Martin Willett,
I think There for I might be.
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Let's look at the evidence here shall we?
Martin Willett is English, an atheist and intelligent.
Michael Rippie is American, a weirdo who bad-mouths Christians and
claims to be in direct contact with Jesus and is obsessed with
"spirits". Rippie also puts superfluous spaces between each sentence
in a paragraph, I do not.
The real Martin Willett has never passed himself off as anybody else
while on the internet, ever.
Subject: Re: Proof there is no God
Newsgroups: alt.religion.thelastchurch
X-User-Info: 207.173.252.134 207.173.252.134 willett :165275121
Date: 9 Oct 2004 02:37:06 -0500
alt.idiots,alt.religion,alt.religion.barfing-yak,alt.religion.thelastc
hurch
Subject: Re: Proof there is no God
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:51:11 +0100
Organization: mwillett.org
Lines: 125
Reply-To: "Martin Willett" <email me via the website: mwillett.org>
X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de
The time on mine is GMT plus 1, Berlin time, his is American time,
207.173.252.134
This IP address traces to 207-173-252-134.nas1.ton.nv.frontiernet.net,
68°, Sun T'storms High 57, Low 37) near where Michael Rippie lives.
The University of Berlin provides an excellent fast newsgroup service
for free with no adverts placed on the posts made. That is why I use
it, because the service from ntl is crap, as far as newsgroup access
goes, it's slow and subject to breakdowns. Rippie has used the
University of Berlin service (on my recommendation apparently, as he
has also used Opera on my recommendation) but he has been kicked off
the service for misusing email addresses that belong to me.
http://mwillett.org/atheism/last_church_challenge.htm
http://mwillett.org/please-stand-up.htm
Michael makes out that he has magic powers and can do wonderful
things. He just doesn't actually do any of them when anybody's
watching because that might make his invisible friend cross. He has
regularly challenged me to tell me what time my watch says as if he's
going to do some wonderful magic trick, but he never actually does it.
He claims he has visited me in spirit on several occassions and given
me a slap.
He claims Jesus visited him when he was 6, and he's been living in the
Mind of Christ ever since.
He regularly quotes the words of Jesus as dictated to him, Michael the
Prophet of the Last Church.
He claims he was born in 1946 (to the US government Copyright office
when he claimed to have written a poem which is a verse taken from a
song in The Sound of Music).
==============================
The Bell
A bell is not a bell until you ring it.
A song is not a song until you sing it.
Love in your heart wasn't put there to stay.
Love isn't love until you give it away.
Author,
===============================
Sixteen Going On Seventeen - Reprise
*This part of the song was never used in the movie: *
Maria
A bell is no bell 'til you ring it
A song is no song 'til you sing it
And love in your heart wasn't put there to stay
Love isn't love... 'Til you give it away
Oscar Hammerstein II, The Sound of Music, 1959
Rippie claims to have written his "original poem" in 1961, although on
the copyright application he makes in 1985 he claims he wrote it in
1962.
In 1962 Rippie would be sixteen, going on seventeen...
He also claims to have been in the military in 1946, although he
doesn't say which country.
He sometimes claims he is Dannan DeCrete, a nonagenarian native
American from a local tribe, who was also born in Texas and is old
enough to be Michael's grandfather.
Confused? Somebody is.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/

[Martin Willett]

Post by Bob Weigel
Oh and who wants to believe a SPIRIT..oh heavens we souldn't want to
believe our spirit. :-) NO just be a NUMB ROBOT...hehehe. Why is
this getting cross posted to here...just wondering. It cracks me up
how people take a thread that's already disjointed non-sense and

they

Post by Bob Weigel
cross post it to yet another group. -Bob

It is possible to ignore it you know.

[Bob Weigel]

It's possible to ignore me. The fact is though I ENJOY using these people
for fodder to make points. Hehe. -Bob

Post by Martin Willett

Post by Bob Weigel
Oh and who wants to believe a SPIRIT..oh heavens we souldn't want to
believe our spirit. :-) NO just be a NUMB ROBOT...hehehe. Why is
this getting cross posted to here...just wondering. It cracks me up
how people take a thread that's already disjointed non-sense and

they

Post by Bob Weigel
cross post it to yet another group. -Bob

It is possible to ignore it you know.

[spiritrising]

and what was the point? that you are stupid,or a moron, or only talking to
athiest scum?

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Ahh...there you areee.... Holld stilllllll....PLONK! hehe. I've stopped
reading false chrsitian scumhead posts for the most part. God's called me
to another ministry I believe at this time in my life. I'm only talking to
false atheist scum these days. -Bob

[Delta Nine]

Post by Martin Willett

What makes you
think that?

Because, D. DC., when I talk to Michael, you reply, pretending to

be

somebody else. That's why. You are doing again, aren't you
Michael?

You have altered the quoted text again, haven't you Michael? That's
bad, not touching up the choirboys or peeing in the communion wine bad
but cursing the Holy Spirit or revealing the secrets of the
confessional bad.

Fuck you, holy spirit! I don't need no goddamn motherfucking dove (or
wind or fire or whatever other pussy symbol the xians happen to be
using) following me around.
--
--------------
Peace,
Delta Nine

If God didn't want us to masturbate, he wouldn't have made our arms this
long.
-Angela Bassett-Hound

There ought to be limits on freedom
-George W. Bush, 1999 in response to political satire (a website making
fun of him). Now, call me crazy but I think that in a free society,
political satire and criticism should be one of the most protected forms
of speech.

Do you use your powers for good, or for awesome?
- Strong Bad

[The Last Church]

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:46 GMT, Delta Nine

<> but cursing the Holy Spirit or revealing the secrets of the
<> confessional bad.
<>
<
<Fuck you, holy spirit! I don't need no goddamn motherfucking dove (or
<wind or fire or whatever other pussy symbol the xians happen to be
<using) following me around.

Yeah! We don't need no stinking badges. Lets go out and kill
something.

.

Sergeant Major
Gene Roberts
USMC
Semper Fi

If you join the military
Death is part of the job.

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